So What The Hell are they puting in the water NOW!

[zoezealand]

they get a 50% water change everyweek, so the pH should have been the same as that from the tap :?
and I dechlorinated double (to cope with the double chlorine)
but all the other tanks are fine

[here fishie fishie]

[quote:9494fa3fa5]so the pH should have been the same as that from the tap[/quote:9494fa3fa5]
Why?

The reasoning behind my comment, is that if all other tanks are fine, what is different to the danio tank. They all got the same water. There are plenty of factors that can alter the ph in a tank water, even in a week.

Some water conditioners have how many parts per million of chlorine they treat. You should be able to get off the council the realitive parts per million out of the tap.
Don't forget the brissie people have chloramines in their water too.

Frenchy :D

[DeagonTheo]

I cant believe the amount of people still using water straight from the tap and then blaming the council for fish deaths.
The council treats water to be fit for human consumption not for fish.
Its really very simple and been explained on here a million times, if you want to minimize fish deaths, age your water, and if you dont want your fish to die, age your water, and if you dont want to lose all your fish age your water.If you dont want diseases age your water.
Theo

[here fishie fishie]

What was that Theo :?:  :?:  :?:

Oooohhhh, Age your water :!:  :idea:  :lol:

I age mine too.

Frenchy :D

[DeagonTheo]

And if you want to save money, age your water, and if you claim to want to make life comfortable for your fish, age your water. Oh, and stop doing so many water changes, and definately not 50%.
Will someone please explain to me in an intelligent way, how doing a 50% water change with chlorinated water of a different temperature, is somehow beneficial to fish.
Theo

[zoezealand]

I tested the pH (obviously after the water change, but some difference should still have been noted), same as the tap water,
by age, do you mean airate for a few days in a big barrel?, when I can afford and have space for a pond or several barrels, I shall look into that, my dechlorinator does chloramines as well,I shall look up the ppm tomorrow,

I still can't explain why they died though, the 5 other tanks with the same danios (from the same spawn) had more or = water changes (that probably rules out anything in the water anyway), exactly the same food and everything, yet they are fine :?
the dead ones had red marks down thier belly, does that point to anything?

[mjscookie]

Yeah, I'm a bit confused about what you mean by age'ing water?

Do you mean adding buffers salts and prime etc and letting it sit for a little while, OR just aearating "non-addative" water and letting it sit?

Cheers Mitch

[zoezealand]

[quote:618de04228="DeagonTheo"] Oh, and stop doing so many water changes, and definately not 50%.
Will someone please explain to me in an intelligent way, how doing a 50% water change with chlorinated water of a different temperature, is somehow beneficial to fish.
Theo[/quote:618de04228]

they are growout tanks, I was under the impression that 30-50% was common for fast growout?
they are quite heavily stocked as well, so I feel it helps keep the ammonia down, but I make sure the water is the same temperature (within a degree or so). I shall try and do 20% twice a week, I have more time now, so that should be fine

[DeagonTheo]

Aging means putting tap water in a barrel or tank or what have you, and leaving it for at least two days, preferably with a small pump, just to move the water around a bit, thats it.
You can buy a two hundred litre plastic drum for around $20-to $25, a small pump for around $10 to $20. When you look at the amount of dollars people lose in fish, I would say that that is a pittance.
 I bought 2, 70 litre drums today for $25.
A breeding pair of Peppermint Bristlenose around $300, a pair of Discus around $200-$300.
I would say to most people, you really cant afford to not age your water, but if you want to keep blasting your fish with a cold stream of poisonous gas, and feel good about doing so, than by all means, just keep traumatising your fish, I'm sure they wont mind.
Have a good day.
Theo

[zoezealand]

Where can you buy a barrel?
do you heat the water when it is ageing?

thanks
Kathryn

[mjscookie]

Theo, you're saying you add no additives at all (in the sense of chlorine removal)?


Cheers Mitch

[here fishie fishie]

I have a black barrel 120lts.
So I...
Fill up Barrel with water
To this I add a little dash prime {I got a heap of prime cheap one time}
6 tablespoons of Epsom Salts
6 Teaspoons of Baking Soda
6 Teaspoons of Marine Salt
I then add an air stone & let the pump run till the next day, or whenever I do water change.

This is how I do my Tangy's, Malawis 1/2. I should be a TV Chef  :lol:

Frenchy :D

[here fishie fishie]

[quote:fbbe2da916]Theo, you're saying you add no additives at all (in the sense of chlorine removal)? [/quote:fbbe2da916]
Leaving the water out for a few days should remove the chlorine. In my case its the airation.
Running the water through a shower head connection should be enough to rid the chlorine too.
Brissie people should add something to the water as Chloramines are lethal to fish even in small doses. Some species of fish{eg;Malawis} can handle small amounts of Chlorine.

Another note, check the water conditioners, some only remove Chlorine & don't remove Chloramines.

Frenchy :D

[DeagonTheo]

We'll have to give you your own timeslot Frenchie" The Naked French Chef".
I personally don't add anything whatsoever to my tanks or aging water, the money you save on Dechlorinater, gives you the money to buy drums, hehe.

The problem with breeding fish in a particular type of water, means that when you sell them, other people have to try to mimick your water. I believe its better to let fish adjust to the local water supply, saves a lot of headaches and calculations, and believe me they do adjust.

Drums and other equipment can be bought from markets, especially Caboolture Markets, its a fantastic place for anything you're looking for.

And no you dont have to heat the water while aging, just make sure its roughly(within a couple of degrees) the same temperature before adding it to your tanks.

Okay, now that I've told you all my secrets for successfull and inexpensive fish keeping, I'll pass the hat around.
Theo

[mjscookie]

Cheers Theo !

Your information is very appreciated.

Cheers Mitch