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Fish talk => Freshwater Species Forum => Topic started by: GTR73 on July 23, 2005, 03:58:00 PM

Title: Electric Yellows
Post by: GTR73 on July 23, 2005, 03:58:00 PM
There''s been a bit of discussion on Electric Yellows in the Trader section recently so thought I''d post up the link to a new article now on Sydneycichlid.com :<
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>Elec Yellow article<
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>. . . some good info on the different colour morphs available in Oz.<
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>Cheers.
Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: wrk21 on July 23, 2005, 04:48:00 PM
yer good read and full of good info..........<
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Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: ashhhh on July 23, 2005, 06:18:00 PM
ta, good read... Cheers<
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Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: Tony577 on July 23, 2005, 09:58:00 PM
good read thanks.<
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Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: here fishie fishie on July 23, 2005, 11:49:00 PM
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>I have read an article by Mark Elieson before.(I am a fan of his articles; Alto''s, N.cauds...) <
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>Yellow topic<
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>Quote:Sometimes, the best genes aren''t those that come from the lake (F0), but from a carefully maintained line. This isn''t unethical, in my opinion. These people are simply selecting the more desirable traits and retaining them. If you find this reprehensible, next time you see a black-barred yellow lab next to a clean one, ask yourself which you''d rather own, or purchase for that matter. <
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>It''s really what people like, just like how people want Fronnies with straight bars, yet in the wild....<
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>This next bit, poor Grant.    <
>Quote:It wasn''t until around 1980 that this xanthic color variant was discovered by Stuart Grant and his divers. Grant et. al supposedly discovered a small colony of "Electric Yellows" at Lion''s Cove, Malawi.<
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>Stuart Grant only collected a few specimens, but refused to mass-collect and export them because of the population''s small numbers, fearing that they would be pushed into extinction. Then two Swedish collectors paying a visit to Stuart Grant noticed these beautiful,
ight yellow mbuna in his tanks and requested that he collect and export some for them. The story is that when he declined, these two Swedes
ibed some of his divers, who knew right where they were located. They then returned to Sweden with two yellow labs, unbeknownst to Grant<
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>From what I have read, these two yellow labs were then given as a gift to Pierre Brichard, who was very impressed by them. This is where the story gets really interesting: Brichard then took them back to his fishing operation in Burundi, along Lake Tanganyika (of all places!) and
ed some 20,000 fish, all related to that pair. Quite amazing. And he did this in less than six years time. Then, in 1986 he made them available to the public, selling them for a hefty price from what I hear. Brichard ended up making a good dollar off that pair, while Stuart Grant on Lake Malawi, who found the fish in the first place, was left holding the bag.<
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>Yellow Link, with wild fish pics<
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>Frenchy    <
>  "A house full of people is a house full of different points of view"<
>Edited by: here fishie fishie at: 24/7/05 0:00<
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Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: ashhhh on July 24, 2005, 12:06:00 AM
that was a very interesting read....<
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>Quote:Few hobbyists realize that almost all specimens of the yellow Labidochromis are descendants of a single pair!<
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>bit like the story of adam & eve, sorta Cheers<
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Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: here fishie fishie on July 24, 2005, 12:30:00 AM
Quote:bit like the story of adam & eve, sorta <
>shame about the lack of care about
eeding specific traits.   <
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>Frenchy   "A house full of people is a house full of different points of view"<
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Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: ashhhh on July 24, 2005, 10:14:00 AM
Quote:shame about the lack of care about
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>id say that would be due to people with little understanding about the fish they have and who have them just as "pets",<
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eed, they dont expect it and they sell the fry and so on.......snowball effect<
>not there fault, just an honest misunderstanding,id think<
> Cheers<
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Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: cosmotiger1 on July 24, 2005, 10:54:00 AM
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>i think frenchy was talking about the lack of care in "human"
eeding traits,   you know....like how we still let kiwi''s
eed.<
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>p.s to any other kiwis who read my posts im not having a go at kiwis just me and justin are mates and take the crap outta each other.<
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>cheers<
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>think of your 3 best mates if there fine..... IT MUST BE YOU!!!
Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: here fishie fishie on July 24, 2005, 11:51:00 AM
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>Frenchy  "A house full of people is a house full of different points of view"<
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Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: ashhhh on July 24, 2005, 07:02:00 PM
   Cheers<
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Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: GTR73 on July 24, 2005, 08:38:00 PM
An interesting point . . .<
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>" it is amazing to see that the quality of this species has not really deteriorated over 20 years of in
eeding"<
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>. . . line
eeding seems to have had it''s benefits in regards to the electric yellow. Just a shame there''s a limited gene pool in Oz to work with.<
>However I''ve noticed recently on the forums in North American that wild-caught Electric yellows are starting to crop up over there. So someone is exporting them out of Malawi again.<
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Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: here fishie fishie on July 25, 2005, 10:26:00 PM
I saw the link from the other forum you put up Brad, how nice is the wild caught specimen.<
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>Wild Yellow<
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>I was thinking,    I wonder if the line
eeding of yellows has gone so well for generations is that males & females are so similar & it''s easier to pick out a nice clean yellow. <
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eeding appears to have done one thing, its harder to sex a yellow by appearances.<
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>Whereas with some africans, females are dull, so you don''t know how good its parents are. Sure you may have a stunning male, & he may carry more dominant genes. But what is the percentage. So over time....<
>eg;its really hard to say find a really good red empress.<
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>Frenchy  <
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Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: GTR73 on July 26, 2005, 07:43:00 AM
Interesting point Frenchy. <
>I was also wondering if some of the apparent "lower-quality" yellows in Oz were actually the just different morphs imported into the country. I notice the more readily available morphs from the Lake are white on the undersides or are white all over! <
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eeders out there know what morphs have been
ought into Australia?<
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>Another interesting aspect is the fact the hobby''s E.yellow population is many times bigger than what''s in the actual lake.  
Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: merjo on July 27, 2005, 10:51:00 AM
Glad you liked the article guys...I love the electric yellows. Thanks for the use of the pic. Frenchy...much appreciated. If anyone else has any pics that I can use, esp. those showing "bad traits" I would love to receive them. I learnt a lot myself from researching the facts fot the article. I agree about Stuart Grant  <
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>Andrea   acwattsATbigpond.com<
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>"Character is like a tree and reputation like its shadow. The shadow is what we think of it; the tree is the real thing." Ib.
Title: Re: Electric Yellows
Post by: here fishie fishie on July 27, 2005, 09:27:00 PM
No worries Andrea; I forwarded the article onto another site I visit, hope you don''t mind.   <
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>Maybe a visit to a lfs.    Just say you are doing an article on Electric yellows, can I please take some pics.   <
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>With what I have, came from a few different sources. I was just looking for clean fishies. They all seem to have the same black edging, just slight differences in colour. (Most are looking better over time, with good clean foods)<
>I have already got rid of those that were slightly muddy looking.<
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>Keep up the good work Andrea.<
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>Frenchy   "A house full of people is a house full of different points of view"<
>Edited by: here fishie fishie at: 27/7/05 21:35<
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