Hi. Just wondering if anyone has any info on this - you know where you drink your own (an others) processed faeces and urine and what ever else.
Will this have ramifications on US? I'm assuming treatment is going to be chemical intensive and would be interested in knowing what's added and how much.
Some one from Toowomba might be able to help us out.
Cheers Mitch
Well, technically all water on the planet is "recycled".
The only question that really needs to be asked is "Will the processing techniques ensure water is potable 100% of the time".
Normally potable water doesn't have any restrictions on undegradable human medicines ("the pill", other hormones, prozac etc). Hence this could pass into the drinking water supply. I doubt that it would but nonetheless it should be explored in the early stages of the debate.
The major problem that I have (having worked on lots of sewage treatment plants) is "What is planned when there is an outage, overflow or other event"? Normally if there is an event, it just overflows....and the pertinent owner cops a fine from the EPA. Not so good if going into the water supply.
But if all the above is considered and catered for, I don't see a problem in drinking recycled sewage. After all, most of the water out of the the dams in the Brisbane Valley is effectively recycled cow poo :-)
caio
Graeme
hmm. I don't mind drinking recycled cow poo.
However, often seeing other people's floaters [how hard is it too flush] I'm not too keen on the idea.
I remember reading somewhere that Prozac is the only thing they cannot get out of UK recycled water.... Probably not a bad idea...
Now that's got me thinking, why are people working with all this transgenic tomato's for vaccine delivery, wouldn't the easiest [expensive though] way to do it was to dose our drinking water 3 monthly???
Furthermore, why can't they run a
normal line
and recycled line
wouldn't it make sense ? Normal gos to all "drinking outlets" recycled goes to landuary, shower, toliet etc? I mean, that (Alert admin) [Beattie] is building all these dams, why doesn't he make them "recycled only" and keep the current dams "clean"?
I think, if it ever comes in, I will be buying the biggest tank that can fit and paying to have it plumbed...
Just my 2c worth !!!
I know it's gone off topic a bit, but it would be really good to know what treatments are/have to be additionally added AND how that is going to affect fish keepers !!
Have a good rainy Friday afternoon
Mitch
Mitch, I find your comment offensive! I have some good friends who are (Alert admin)s & I wouldn't like them put in the same catagory as teflon pete :twisted:
bring on the recycled water! Its only 5 years too late but it is a positive decision.
My understanding is that it is not going to be too chemically involved, but is rather going to work on RO (reverse osmosis) similar to what many people are running for their tanks, only on a larger scale. I imagine there will have to be some chemical intervention, but supposedly the RO system will negate the use for too many harsh chemicals. Unfortunately I think it is a necessary evil to be using the recycled water, there is just not too many other viable options to ensuring a constant water supply for our ever increasing populace.
I'll be voting for it tomorrow here in Toowoomba. All the legit studies show that it will be too pure for drinking water after treatment (it is treated to kidney dialysis standard - pure H2O) and it will be released back into the dams to dilute it down to potable.
For sure it will be cleaner than what's coming out of the taps at the moment and better than the other options - Coal seam water (chemicals and salinity issues), Buy back from irrigation (dont the farmers need the water to provide us with food... + it's water that technically doesnt even exist..), Water tanks on all houses (need rain for that one to work, and most houses have them anyway..) and, my favourite, a 'short' 40km pipeline to Wivenhoe (so we can steal YOUR water, which BTW is down to 28% anyway and will probably end up being recycled too...).
It's a very emotive subject here in Toowoomba - "poo water" is the cry and im betting that the recycling will be defeated at the vote because of emotion, not reason.
My rant.
Steve
as long as it's done right, who cares.
but i do agree with the question of what happens if the process fails, and raw sewage gets pumped in the dam.
i dunno, but things are dire, something is going to have to happen and soon.
i reckon we should reverse the flow of the pipeline stealing water from wivenhoe for the Gold Coast :twisted: and steal back our water, see how ron clark likes that :lol:
Personally I think Australia should take a page out of israels book after all they are one of the dryest country in the world and they don't have a water shortage problem. THey use desalination for drinking and recycled for all other uses they also have one of the best goldfish farms in the world in the middle of the desert. Justt a chuck in from this balck duck.
[quote:e55eb12456="nemo1981"]as long as it's done right, who cares.
but i do agree with the question of what happens if the process fails, and raw sewage gets pumped in the dam.
i dunno, but things are dire, something is going to have to happen and soon.
i reckon we should reverse the flow of the pipeline stealing water from wivenhoe for the Gold Coast :twisted: and steal back our water, see how ron clark likes that :lol:[/quote:e55eb12456]
It's not 'raw sewerage' going through the system, but treated sewerage - as is released into rivers now. It's just getting treated further. There is no greater risk of raw sewerage entering the system than already exists.
Cheers
Steve
[quote:547882bcc7="ndoboi"]
It's not 'raw sewerage' going through the system, but treated sewerage - as is released into rivers now. It's just getting treated further. There is no greater risk of raw sewerage entering the system than already exists.
[/quote:547882bcc7]
I must admit I am not sure exactly of Toowoomba's current setup, but when I commissed Wurtella Stg 2, the retention ponds were undersized. So raw sewerage flowed into that creek there off Old Goombungi (sp?) Rd. Moral is, if this flows into the water storage collection point, then yes, raw sewage (not sewerage) can get into the "system".
Brisbane's case is different as the treated wastewater will be pumped up to the storages. Hence if there is a failure (for whatever reason) pumps will stop, ponds will flow, overflows go into the Bay rather than into water storages. QED, no poo in the water :-)
Raw sewage overflows in "events" (ie/ power outages) is a problem in lots of areas, particularly as most councils (and voters) don't like the concept of a dam that may potentially be full of stinky water.
caio
Graeme
As far as fish keeping goes, I think we'll end up with better water quality coming outta the tap compared to now.
For starters, they'll hopefully use less chlorine than they do presently.
[quote:b22da8944f="ancalimon"][quote:b22da8944f="ndoboi"]
It's not 'raw sewerage' going through the system, but treated sewerage - as is released into rivers now. It's just getting treated further. There is no greater risk of raw sewerage entering the system than already exists.
[/quote:b22da8944f]
I must admit I am not sure exactly of Toowoomba's current setup, but when I commissed Wurtella Stg 2, the retention ponds were undersized. So raw sewerage flowed into that creek there off Old Goombungi (sp?) Rd. Moral is, if this flows into the water storage collection point, then yes, raw sewage (not sewerage) can get into the "system".
Brisbane's case is different as the treated wastewater will be pumped up to the storages. Hence if there is a failure (for whatever reason) pumps will stop, ponds will flow, overflows go into the Bay rather than into water storages. QED, no poo in the water :-)
Raw sewage overflows in "events" (ie/ power outages) is a problem in lots of areas, particularly as most councils (and voters) don't like the concept of a dam that may potentially be full of stinky water.
caio
Graeme[/quote:b22da8944f]
Fair enough, good info Graeme. Thanks.
Steve
yeh that's what i meant, treated sewerage but you get the idea.
desalination is the way to go, beats me why the government didn't start it years ago, i mean look at the middle east they all do it, and plenty of water to around.
The Gold Coast are looking at the desalination option at the moment. A rig is set up at Tugun I believe. It is a dearer option than recycling.
But I believe the Gold Coast Council/ with State Government, will do what it likes, not what is cheapest or best option. Tourism has a big pull here, look at the shark nets for example.
So if the Toowoomba vote comes back as a marjority can't stomach the idea of recycled water & the thought tourists might not like the idea too. I believe the Gold Coast anyway will go for desalination.
Whats the other option, a very long pipe run up to the tropics?
I find it funny that something as important as water is so poorly managed by the authorities.
Frenchy :D
[quote:3c30e78cf1]wouldn't it make sense ? Normal gos to all "drinking outlets" recycled goes to landuary, shower, toliet etc?[/quote:3c30e78cf1]
mitch
have you thought of the immense cost of ripping up the road everywhere for "this Extra Line" and also redoing every single houses plumbing?.
Bring on the recycled stuff
i drink a cup of my own every morning.
I think its a great idea, gold coast is going for desalination, state government just put another 80 million into the project. and it is expensive compared to other options, but its fast and isnt an always on solution, what i mean by this is the hinze dam is at 95%+ on average lately, which means the desal unit would be shutdown.
Only kicking in and costing when its needed.
Also remember that with this treated water going back into the dam, it will be about 0.05% of the total dam water, so thats about what you will be drinking of it, its not going straight into the pipes. sun and bacteria in the dam will also break down alot.
but your right about the gold coast getting the better option, dubai runs completely on desal, but its also bloody rich, as is the gold coast city council with high rates and large amounts of money being spent here = more gst for the state government.
I am all for recycled water. Desalination for one does not take all the salt out so the water will have a funny tast. It will cost way to much and will come to late. It will use more power so in turn that will use more water :? . Then the salt that is taken from the water will be pumped back out into the bay. It will make the water twice as salty so that will kill off the fish stop the wales comming in close for people to see and the dolphins will all move out. I dont think it would be worth losing an amazing eco system just cause some people cant stand the thought of drinking recycled water. :!:
Not realy what you guys are talking about. But can we as fish keepers recycle our water any way efeectively and cost efficiently instead of dumping down the drain. I run afew tanks and would like to recycle my waste water if its possible.
Cheers Paul.
Salt put back into the ocean will increase the salintiy preventing whales :!: :?: :!: Where did you read that from :?: Last time I checked the ocean is huge open area of huge volume & the water currents are strong.
I prefer drinking water from fish poo, rather than our own. It is known that not all diseases can be removed from recycling water. How much of a risk is it really :?:
As for the water having a funny taste, well it stinks/does now. Ask anyone from a cleaner water source, eg;me from Christchurch, NZ. When I came here it took me ages to drink water out of the tap, well I still don't. When I had my first few showers here I thought I was in a swimming pool because of the smell of chlorine. :x As time has past I got used to the smell.
As for treated water going back into the dam being only 0.05%, may be correct, but if this drought keeps on going the way it is, who knows what it could end up being.
Paul as for your fish tank water, I throw mine on the garden, it is great for plants.
Frenchy :D
my thoughs are it should be made mandatory to have a rain water tank and every house waste water [shower/washing machine] should be able to water that property. then all the toilet waste should be pump inland after being treated to make our centre more viable.
[quote:723378836c]When I had my first few showers here I thought I was in a swimming pool because of the smell of chlorine[/quote:723378836c]
8O 8O 8O 8O
You actually shower??? and still smell like that???
Sadly I can't see any choice but to recycle water.
When all boiled down it makes sense and those people with a real mind set against drinking POO water should go out and buy themselves a rainwater tank.
A few of the Shire Councils are now refunding 100% of the cost to install them and if maintained properly the drinking water is great.
Bio Cycle septic systems are another good water saving investment and I am of the opinion that they should also be heavily subsidised by the council's as these produce very clean water as an end product of all your household water, not of drinking quality but certainly excellent for all outside water applications.
Really I'm saying people have to start to make a few responsible decisions for themselves too. I can't think of 1 proposal put forward by the governing bodies, be it dams, increasing capacities of existing dams, recycling, ect ect that hasn't created an uproar with the people it will affect.
Short of figuring out how to make it rain in the areas that need it, when they need it what are they to do to keep everyone happy.
Just my 2 cents worth.
Cheers Linda
well for 1 the goverment knew this was going to happen 20years ago
But they did nothing about it. Thay just wanted to build high risers
And stuff an many people in to one place as thay could.
So now the population is growing faster than they expected
This is what happends
I will not drink poo water unless they can put in a back up in case somthing goes wrong
Like in Sydney a few years back where thier drinking water was not fit to drink because of a bug in there water supply
And the aussie attaude that* she will be all right* needs a good long look at
And if they used the poo water for industry it would take a lot of strain off house hold use
Well thats my 2cents
Andrew
Yes they should have done more years ago.
They should have not backed down to the public outcry in the past with proposed dam sites 10 -12 years ago. I know of 3 that were proposed and nearly built but stopped by public pressure and I guess theres probably more.
I know its not nice to loose your land and homes to these proposals but in the end someone has to.
Would we be suffering this shortage now if 1 or 2 of those dams proposed 10 -12 years ago had gone ahead. The situation wouldn't be nearly as bad.
Cheers Linda
One of those dams that was proposed was going to take 50% of my dads land,which he didn't mind too much,but it would of made his property unaccessable & the gov said tough.This pissed him off so he's glad it didn't go thru.
Also from what I've heard about desal is that 90% of the water that goes in is waste water at the end.So pumping the waste back into the sea a great idea,but what happens after 100yrs of that,you have bays of uninhabitable water.(no marine life).The only way to go is recycle & rain water tanks.
As for local coucils when I built this house we were going to get a 2 tank sceptic so we could use the grey water for gardens, the council said then changed its mind & said 1 tank system must be installed at twice the price of the other & we can't use the grey water.
So in short recycled water & rain tank water is the only way to go.Desal will wreck the marine ecology in the affected areas in the long term.& don't trust the councils or gov cause they will balls it up no matter what advice they get.
Just my $2 worth.
Cheers Brian.
My mother lives on the edge of the proposed mary river dam the problem is there is that it don't hold water and in most places it will only be 2 inches deep. The other one that I have looked at is there are a lot of cattle properties where the dam is going so what about all the cattle dips all I can say is I'm glad that if it goes through that brissy will drink the water and not us. But seriously I am against the mary river dam for those reasons plus the lungfish and cod populations there. As long as we had 100% gaurentee that the water was safe I would drink the recycled water as for desalination the middle east countries doing it now have never had a problem with destroying marine life so I don't see that as an excuse. after all they have been using longer than a decade with no environmental impacts.
i think recycled water is a good idea and so is desalination.
wouldn't it be wonderfull if the government used their brains and said "ok we don't have enough water. lets use all the possible solutions together to provide more water"
since that will probably never happen the community should probably take whatever they can get.
beggars can't be choosers and choosers will be beggars . if that makes sense
if we don't do something australians are the beggars of the future.
[b:c752c3a387]water tanks[/b:c752c3a387]
my grandpa has seven on his property in goomeri (near gympie) but he still has to drink town water sometimes cause it has been so dry. water tanks help but arn't always a great solution.
anyways that was my thoughts on water
Flik
Problems always arise many years later.
I grew up on a beef cattle stud and my great grandparents had been pioneers into the area. They had a huge amount of land and went in clearing trees as fast as they possibly could. The only thing that they saw was a vast improvement in the properties with increased grass coverage for their cattle and they continued on and became very wealthy people. No ill effects from rising salinity and erosion even started for 60 or more years so no one could have convinced them that cutting down every tree in sight was a bad thing, in fact I doubt that anyone (back then) had any idea of the future consequences.
What happens to our oceans if all drought affected countries suddenly start desal. to subsidize the short fall of water.
How much longer can we continue to pump sewerage waste out into the ocean without it eventually having affect.
Councils have some stupid out of date ideas and need to look more to the future.
Yes people whose land is resumed deserve to be paid well and treated fairly because they are loosing their homes and I do feel for them.
I was thinking mainly of 1 that was proposed close to our home near Jimboomba about 12 years ago, but the protests stopped it.
There was also a series of dams planned, again about 12 years ago in the mountains behind where we live now. These are pegged out and everything and only a hand full of privately owned land was to be affected but it was the Greenies that protested until that proposal was canned as well.
Unfortunately people are never going to agree on the remedies to the water shortage until a bit more openminded thought is used.
Cheers Linda
Hi.
I was reading that 20-30yrs ago, the government (possibly federal) was issuing fines for people who did not remove water tanks as they were NOT AESETICALLY PLEASING !!!
Mitch
[quote:988debad0f]You actually shower??? and still smell like that???[/quote:988debad0f]
I know Steve bad aye, :? I told ya the smell of chlorine is strong, unless its the smell of young lambs? :roll:
Heres a an interesting read, more about costs involved in Sydney when they looked at options last year.{De Sal}
http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/its-a-waste-seawater-not-the-solution/2005/11/24/1132703316740.html
[quote:988debad0f]Desal will wreck the marine ecology in the affected areas in the long term.[/quote:988debad0f] How? Australia is flanked by a number of major sea currents. Water on the planet always continues to circulate, through rivers, soil, air & atmosphere.
There are more than 7,500 desalination plants operate worldwide, with two-thirds of them in the Middle East.
Link to new technology,{Dec 04}
The plant on the Coast will use reverse osmosis.
http://news.ufl.edu/2004/12/16/desal/
[quote:988debad0f]Reverse osmosis uses less energy but has other problems, including mineral buildup clogging the filters.[/quote:988debad0f]
Good on them for trying the cheapest option, it's like Beatie wants De sal, to fail so he can say I told ya so. We aren't going to use the best technology available, what the :?:
With recycled water are Prozac, Norvasc, all the Pharamacy drugs & personal care products complete eliminated? Alot of drugs are used now days.
[quote:988debad0f]The authorities who supply our reticulated drinking water are very good at removing particulate matter and all infectious agents - bacteria, viruses and parasites. Its ionic content can be reduced by reverse osmosis to 'soften' it. What is far more difficult to remove however are dissolved organic chemicals - these require passage through activated carbon filters for their removal.
Chemicals such as pesticides, detergents and plasticisers are present in waste water. In the human body these chemicals mimic the activity of the female hormone oestrogen. Added to this there is in waste water all the normally excreted female urinary oestrogens and those added by contraceptive and hormone replacement pill usage.
The concern is that these chemicals may not be removed from water that is being recycled. It is thought that their ingestion by pregnant women and young male children may have a deleterious effect on the reproductive organs and urinary tract of developing male babies and children.
The evidence comes from apparently greater rates of falling sperm counts in industrialised countries which heavily recycle water, along with increased rates of male genital tract abnormalities and testicular cancer. All we have however is a strong association – not a proven cause and effect. It is backed up by evidence from animal species living in water polluted by these chemicals where we have seen feminisation of male seals, fish, alligators and seabirds.
[b:988debad0f]The quest for safe recycling of water is both admirable and necessary. Those who are advocating it however should be required to give us details of how they propose to remove organic chemicals from the recycled water and how they intend monitoring the effectiveness of the procedure.[/b:988debad0f][/quote:988debad0f]
Also would seed the clouds work here?
I try to look at both sides, I don't really know which is the best option. Way up cost of de sal versus how safe is recylced?
I am sure the poo option will effect Tourism. Some cultures will not drink poo water.
Frenchy :D
Desal won't affect marine life in the long run??That's what they said about coal fired power plants,come to think of it they also said the same about dumping nuclear waste into the oceans.If every country started to use desal what woul the oceans be like then(an image of the dead sea comes to mind).What is probably the best is to use all options to a smaller degree,because if you use 1 option 100% there will be a backlash either public,tourism,economical,or natural.And the only things I've heard about the dams is what is said on the news,& I don't believe half of what those scare mongers say.But like braddo said if the soil wont hold water why put a dam there,& if it's going to be shallow why make another North Pine dam cause it costs too much to run that because it's too shallow.
Cheers Brian.
Are people really that ignorant and stupid, there is no way in 100years that desal will kill off wildlife, we are talking about the ocean here, this is not dry salt being dumped back into the water, is desolved salt, and the current will take it away, and you will drink the water, which from what i know doesnt taste like salt at all, you will then piss on a fence post it will evaporate and then rain back into the ocean like it has for a billion years.
Who is that nieve that they dont think all water is recycled, Maybe people who buy .........evein.
Then what is this post for grum.the answer is simple just wait till it rains.
Cheers Brian.
:lol: at Gummy, so true. Look at the dams now, they would have some forms of recycled waste too. Agriculture run off, fish poo, the odd pee over the side of the boat, the odd dumped body, stray cow....
Frenchy :D
I have lived in this area for most ove my life
and i can rember when the counsal
Discuraged the use of tank water so they could charge you for town water
So looks like we have come back around again
So a bit of forward thinking would of saved a lot of people from refitting tanks to there homes
Well if they want to do it right
all thay have to do is to pump the water in to a march area and the let nature filter it for us
Andrew
doesn't most waste water end up in the see anyway?
how would desal effect sea salt concentrations, cuz people would use the desal water, this waste water would then go back to the ocean diluting it slightly, canceling out any minimal effect of adding salt through waste desal, the sea level would not drop, so what ever you take out would be put back, just in 2 seperate pipes, salty waste, and used fresh
I hope that made sense
Kathryn
[quote:692568766c="zoezealand"]doesn't most waste water end up in the see anyway?
how would desal effect sea salt concentrations, cuz people would use the desal water, this waste water would then go back to the ocean diluting it slightly, canceling out any minimal effect of adding salt through waste desal, the sea level would not drop, so what ever you take out would be put back, just in 2 seperate pipes, salty waste, and used fresh
I hope that made sense
Kathryn[/quote:692568766c]
Out of interest, the Del Sal Plant will be the next project I get to start working on (in November ... fingers crossed). It will be a glorified giant RO plant. So the 4% salts will be reduced to 0.1% (or thereabouts in "broad brush wave your hands around in the air" terms) so the water returned to the South Pacific Ocean (it isn't going into the bay) will be in the order of 8% or thereabouts. Theorectically "twice" as salty as it started, but minor in the great scheme of things.
WRT to the anology of carbon emitting power stations, the about of CO2 in the atmosphere since c.1900 has approximately doubled (again round figures, the real numbers are out in there in google land). It is very doubtful (but theoretically possible...) that all the De Sal plants in the world could double ocean salinity. Mind you the ocean doesn't seem to mind having massive evaporation occuring at the same time...
caio
Graeme
Yep Kath all made sense. It all goes around in circles, just as Grummy said. Look at it this way too, about 97% of water on the planet is salt.
Even the newspapers are one eyed on this, appearing to be recycled option only. A paper had an article about California & how it uses re cycling. Yet it didn't mention anything about how Florida using de-sal.
Frenchy :D
[quote:36c3bf7478="Paulibius"]Not realy what you guys are talking about. But can we as fish keepers recycle our water any way efeectively and cost efficiently instead of dumping down the drain. I run afew tanks and would like to recycle my waste water if its possible.
Cheers Paul.[/quote:36c3bf7478]
I've wondered that myself over the years Paul. I actually pour all my old tank water on my plants and lawn so I guess I recycle. But you raise a good point.
Essentially, we only do water changes to remove a build up of NO3 (Nitrates) right? So I wonder if a large planted tank put to one side for recycling tank water might work? (However I'm not really knowledgeable about planted systems so not sure what would be produced). But I'm also thinking you'd have to examine what other benefits does fresh water from the tap have, and is it feasible to recreate that from your own recycled tank water? :roll:
Regardless any recycled system would involve having all the test kits and your salt/buffer additives etc on hand.
Over the years I reckon availability of water resources will only get worse, so all fishkeepers will have to start looking at their options in this regard. :?
ive got a mate who aomes from a communist country. and 1 thing i have learnt from him is that at least his country wont die of thirst.
in his country if the government wants recycled water they get it! none of these bloody protesters.
in australia we will certainly have (Alert admin)s out there against any idea they come up with.
so my opinion is just F#@ken do it and tell the people to like it.
now i see the beauty in a communist way of life
[quote:eb69d67cae="GTR73"][quote:eb69d67cae="Paulibius"]Not realy what you guys are talking about. But can we as fish keepers recycle our water any way efeectively and cost efficiently instead of dumping down the drain. I run afew tanks and would like to recycle my waste water if its possible.
Cheers Paul.[/quote:eb69d67cae]
I've wondered that myself over the years Paul. I actually pour all my old tank water on my plants and lawn so I guess I recycle. But you raise a good point.
Essentially, we only do water changes to remove a build up of NO3 (Nitrates) right? So I wonder if a large planted tank put to one side for recycling tank water might work? (However I'm not really knowledgeable about planted systems so not sure what would be produced). But I'm also thinking you'd have to examine what other benefits does fresh water from the tap have, and is it feasible to recreate that from your own recycled tank water? :roll:
Regardless any recycled system would involve having all the test kits and your salt/buffer additives etc on hand.
Over the years I reckon availability of water resources will only get worse, so all fishkeepers will have to start looking at their options in this regard. :?[/quote:eb69d67cae]
Err, maybe my planted tank idea might be a bit naive:
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/aqua/art_plant_nitrate.htm
There'd be ways of recycling tank water, but cheaply at home is the real question.
[quote:15c10d89ea]in australia we will certainly have (Alert admin)s out there against any idea they come up with.
so my opinion is just F#@ken do it and tell the people to like it. [/quote:15c10d89ea]
So does this communist country still have the majority of its people living in 3rd world conditions :?:
I gave an option, care to note & read up if you like. The thing that gets me is that people are stupid enough to listen to any politican, newspaper...& take there few point as fact. We all watch programs & take note how often these guys lie to us :roll: The recent employment ideas were great for the common man/lady too. :x
De sal is the dearer option. Why would a politican choose that, it will end up costing eg; so taxes might go up, politicans won't risk that, they might get voted out, oh no!!! Look at the bid picture :roll:
I heard Europe & USA mentioned. Look at Europe & USA, alot of the population live a distance form the coast line, so de sal isn't very viable & in some parts of the planet, the ocean isn't exactly safe to even swim in, let alone extract for drinking. :roll: England, well we know how fickle they are when it comes to cost of money. Looks like they are more gullible than Wahoo.
The Arab countries use de sal, parts of USA{Florida}... yes they are rich countries. They have easy access to salt water too. Yet i don't see Aussie struggling. :lol: Look at what we pay in taxes, we are surrounded by water, most people live on the coast line too. :idea: Why shouldn't we get the best our money can buy, we have paid for it. You get what you pay for :lol:
Aren't we meant to be Human beings? the superior race. Don't we deserve the best we can get especially when there are viable options. We aren't 3rd world, I will pay for water I don't care, in fact we are paying for water. :roll: I come from a wet country; yet as a school kid I was taught about the limited supply of fresh water & how valuable it is. This is a huge country prone to drought & those in power are a joke. Don't call us (Alert admin)s Wahoo, those that live in glass houses.... I think you are narrow minded & gullible. :idea:
Read up yourself & have a look. Why take a chance on our health if we don't have to? It is our well being after all. There are other options, for which I gave one. 7500 de sal plants are currently used in the world today, fact.
We all keep fish too, therefore dosen't it look odd that when fish are caught in wild streams, that they are noticing a sharp decline in males :?:
Hey thats cool Wahoo, vote recycle. I will drink bottled water & if all our aquarium kept species turn out to be all girls I will know who to say, told ya so to. :lol: {Last part was a joke, but could it happen}
One final thing Wahoo, have a read of my signature. U (Alert admin).
Frenchy :D
Here fishie fishie,
i dont remember being rude towards you?
and from what i see from your avitar you are a sheep chaseR! so who are you to come here and drink our water?? HUH??? :evil:
POP UP TO BRISABANE AND ILL SORT YOU OUT
[quote:8374118e3c]One final thing Wahoo, have a read of my signature. U (Alert admin). [/quote:8374118e3c]
dude, your a fag.
maybe i might ride down to the coast and see ya,
i got some members down there.
Calm down guys, there are kids that persue this hobby & read the forum!
Cary
your right it got a bit heated.
all is good.
talk to ya on PMs fishie boy
ok tough guys, back on topic aye? :roll:
someone mentioned with desalination about the salt being put back into the ocean affecting the salt levels??
Theres too much of an expanse of water for it to be of any effect and besides, global warming is melting the polar ice shelfs releasing huge amounts of fresh water into the sea every day which would pretty much counter act any effect of extra salt in the sea from desal....just some thinking out loud :)
[quote:dbf9fd5270="waahoo"]Here fishie fishie,
POP UP TO BRISABANE AND ILL SORT YOU OUT[/quote:dbf9fd5270]
[quote:dbf9fd5270="waahoo"]
dude, your a fag.
maybe i might ride down to the coast and see ya,
i got some members down there.[/quote:dbf9fd5270]
waahoo - maybe you should HEAD off this forum. That kind of crap isn't tolerated.
Mitch
[quote:6223ec2c52]in australia we will certainly have (Alert admin)s out there against any idea they come up with.
so my opinion is just F#@ken do it and tell the people to like it. [/quote:6223ec2c52]
Whilst I don't agree with waahoo's style of communication....he does raise a issue worth discussion.
The current World economy and our evolution to date has been based on expansion....and a growing thurst for resourses. What ever system is invented......in a free enterprise society there is alway someone ready to break the rules for their own advantage.
Eventually we will have to stop expansion and development....building new dams,etc etc and live within our means....you can't fit 500 guppies in a 2ft tank....and even if technology allowed it would you really want to do it?
Some would probably say Yes!....and that's the problem!
We are guppies in a finite fish tank....our current system without controls will eventually be unsustainable and I don't think the general public (World Wide not just Australia) have the intellect to vote for a Government that will do the right long term thing. People tend to vote for those who promise to look after their short term problems. Hopefully the next generation is smarter in this respect than the current....but History doesn't indicate that human nature will change anytime soon!
Eventually you need a benevolent dictatorship to do the right thing....not the popular thing.....our favoured political and economic system that's got us to this point is not going to work once resourses are depleted.
You may say my comment is off topic....but the need to find New water supplies is a relavently easy problem compared to the many challenges ahead as our finite resourses diminish.....and the population increases.
And I agree that waahoo's comment whilst unpopular may be the Best solution(Not communisim a benevolent dictatorship....but it's not going to happen)
While i sorta agree with living within our means i think this country is way off that, we are the least populated nation on earth (dont start with iceland and antartica unless you want to live there)
And this is the opposite responce by the government, they are giving you money to have kids. I say stop the imports.
You allow 10000 doctors from other countrys to come in, and other professionals, yea they are gonna eat and breed, then you wont have enough people working at mcdonalds to feed them. I dont know maybe its an old way of looking at things and nations are becoming stopping points for the people of the world.
Just dont get in my personal space or make me learn a different language to order a pizza.
[quote:ed1b0ce5f5="someone"]
Just dont get in my personal space or make me learn a different language to order a pizza.[/quote:ed1b0ce5f5]
Or even purchase some cichlids using latin :-)
well back on the topic. well kinda cause its a different topic
actually i found out at australias current rate we arent expanding (breeding) . every couple needs to have at least 3 kids just to be infront. and theb you have to take into account the people who die before they can reproduce.
and you have people who are deciding not to have kids.
the only reason australia is expanding is because of immigration.
thats why the baby bonus keeps going up and up.
I wish the bonus was around when I had my 5 kids
8O
& no I'm not a Cattletick :lol:
Cary
Dont mind latin for cichlids.
[quote:9d7c955159="mjscookie"][quote:9d7c955159="waahoo"]Here fishie fishie,
POP UP TO BRISABANE AND ILL SORT YOU OUT[/quote:9d7c955159]
[quote:9d7c955159="waahoo"]
dude, your a fag.
maybe i might ride down to the coast and see ya,
i got some members down there.[/quote:9d7c955159]
waahoo - maybe you should HEAD off this forum. That kind of crap isn't tolerated.
Mitch[/quote:9d7c955159]
hahaha, pathetic, some ppl get angry way to easy. Are your "members" really going to get involved over some silly little internet argument about recycled water, i'm sure they have better things to do.
Immigration is great. I can think of at least 30 nations from which i'd more then love to procreate with the female form rather then an average old Aussie. And of course, we'll be having 1/2 children at max..
I drank my first recycled water today - tasted as good as it gets, straight out of the gravel vac, just need to get enough barells to save rom water changes.
Mitch
I have said all I can say on the matter as in information given. People can believe or read up, its not hard to find information. I am not going to change peoples minds. Those that are unsure, there is information out there for people to see. If the powers that be bring in recycled water, I would say most people would just drink bottled water anyway & the recycled water will be used for garden, washing... :roll: Could be a good thing, less water consumption.
I think Toowoomba being where it is, should of gone for recycled, not many immediate options for them. Gold Coast has the option of de sal, so why not. Brissie well who knows :?:
Heres a couple of links, to do with water treament on the Gold Coast & another about water treatment just for interest sake.
http://www.goldcoast.qld.gov.au/t_gcw.asp?PID=155
http://www.waterquality.crc.org.au/consumers/Consumersp9.htm
Frenchy :D