Albino BN Market changed???

[braddo]

I know peacocks are a cheap fish what you don't realise or know is that I have my market set I deal directly with an importer that tells me what he wants me to breed and that is what I do, so my plans won't be affected by the way i am more than willing to match asian imports on certain fish to sell quantity and can gauruntee better quality.

The things is know you know why I don't sell many fish here as my outlet takes as many as I can supply. He also lets me know what he can get from asia and generally stick to the species that he has trouble getting it is called comunication with your customer and it is loyalty which seems to uncommon in this industry. Not only that I supply him with bread and butter fish he can't import.

By the way a you and bob will be in the same boat now you have that business especially if it includes and import room and quarentine facilities.
I have been trying to crack into this business for so long and am finally understanding what is happening so I either play the game or get out of dodge. I have decided to play the game and have joined forces with a long time friend which you know and take his advice on what he wants and the beauty is I sell fish he buys fish, we work together. I am only trying to get ahead with what I love doing I am not in it for wholely and solely the money but it has been my passion for 29 years and I don't know too many people that are passionate enough about something to keep doing it.

[Otorix]

It's like the stockmarket - put all your cash into Telstra when you bought them at $9 and you're now sitting on a pretty loss. Had your cash split between 10 stocks evenly and your loss from Telstra is considerably less.

So with fish if you're only breeding one type hoping to make money out of it then you bring unnecessary risk upon yourself.

Kev is a businessmen and i praise him for what he is doing. How many of these people whinging have their "hobby" registered as an actual business? Or are they just trying to make undisclosed profits from their "hobby"?

At the end of the day a hobby is a hobby - for enjoyment not profit. Want to make a profit then run a business and either research your niche market or spread your risk.

[Cory Fan]

:D  :D

This is called investment I guess. You will never know what will be happening the next day. For example, I was thinking to change my AUD to RM when I went back for holiday and I found the exchange rate is 1:2.8 but I was thinking may be it will go up again so I refused to change at the moment. But now, the exchange rate is 1:2.59. So if I have AUD20,000. I lost RM4,200 just because I refused to change the money at the time.

So you will never know what to expect....

What made a fish to get a high price, when I first came to Australia. I don't dare to start fish keeping as the fish here are so much more expensive compare to where I came from, why in Malaysia, wholesaler can wholesale their guppies at RM0.20 and retail at RM1.00 but here  8O, an electric yellow at RM0.60 and retail at RM2.50 but here  8O .

I guess is because the labour for aussie are much higher compare to oversea, but then again, what your labour worth is base on what you do and what you think you are worth....

I always think breeders are hard to get good money out of their fish and that is why I don't breed fish but only sell fish :lol:  :lol:

This is business......

What is hobby???

[dammwoman]

You are lucky then. Others aren't as fortunate.
I sincerely hope you can maintain your agreement.
Bob and I both love this industry too
and only wish to see good things for all not just the big guys.
Cheers Linda.

[firemouthkid]

I understand what you're saying braddo - we sell to a wholesaler on a small scale.
It seems to be their way or the highway - to a certain degree.
but isn't what you just explained the whole point?
he tells you what he wants in advance - you breed it for an agreed price.

example

so you have bred maybe 200 yellows for example expecting $5 each for them after raising them for 10 - 12 weeks, fed them good food, etc,etc
expecting to get what you agreed with ,
 but someone has been stockpiling them or somehow someone gets hold of a large quantity and instead of selling them at an AVERAGE market price, they decide to flog them off at retail for $5 each......
aint no way you're wholesaler friend is gonna give you $5 each anymore - maybe $2

i notice on your wish list is white calvus , gold faced comps etc.
what if you finally grab a few breeders and pay good money for them.
by the time you raise a few to sell - the public can buy them at kevs for $4 each....
 not having a personal dig mate - just trying to explain it another way.

[Cory Fan]

tHAT IS LIFE, MATE

[dammwoman]

God..I can't win,
Turn my back for 5 seconds on phone and the dogs jumped up on my chair and pinched my biscuits!!!!

Cheers Linda

[Cory Fan]

[quote:e6619a5650="dammwoman"]God..I can't win,
Turn my back for 5 seconds on phone and the dogs jumped up on my chair and pinched my biscuits!!!!

Cheers Linda[/quote:e6619a5650]

LOL :lol: on Linda

Cheers :wink:

[dammwoman]

Lucky i guess she didn't get the scotch as well lol
Cheers Linda

[aquariumwarehouse]

so lets have a vote


what fish should i have in my next super  saturday sale...


best if its is on the import list....

regards kev

ps  glenn i love the add......

[casperbgk]

[quote:b621a4f36c]what fish should i have in my next super saturday sale..[/quote:b621a4f36c]


EVERYTHING :P

lets see......frontosa, peppermint bn, gold nuugget plecos, albino bn 8) , any catfish

soory...me luv supa saturday :P

[mjscookie]

Demasoni Demasoni Demasoni !!!
(for next super Saturday)

Mitch

[braddo]

Hey firemouth it did happen too me on a number of occasions I remember with Ps crabros I paid $30 a fish for em and let only a few go but someone at the wholsaler where I sold them bought the whole lot bred them and flooded the market but that is this industry and I have learn't from that. And as for price it is agreed upon and set after a discussion they always ask me what I want first then if they think it is fair they buy if not we talk about it and check out what others are selling them for.

I hope this agreement holds true too linda as the wholesaler I deal with has been a friend for 10 years.  So far he has done good by me I was breeding tropheus and when he told me the overseas price he bought my breeders and gave me other fish to replace them for what he paid me for the tropheus. (it was more than import price). Linda I have met Bob and know how passionate he is and regard him in the highest for that in this industry.

Whether we like it or not we are always gonna wind up having to compete with someone else for our markets, this I have learn't too and have lost markets due to helping young guys get there foot in with one of my customers only to be undercut by them and lose that customer. Yes I got pissed, Yes I wanted to smash em, but I got over it and moved on sooner or later they reep what they sowed and I had the customer back.

Like I said I have learn't to play the game and change the rules if need be it is just unfortunate that we have too do that with something we love. I have started to use that a customer I lose today due too someone flooding the market is 2 customers I pick up tomorrow for showing quality in the fish I produce.  If I can produce better quality and sell at a similar price as the cheap guy i will do it. But sooner or later the cheap guy fades away and my quality will still be there and the buyer doesn't mind giving a bit extra for it. I did this recently with bn's somone undercut me 20 cents a fish took some of my market I left mine the same price and pulled the market back as they were smaller and the customer lost too many.

I also believe that you look after your customer and no matter what goes on around the customer will always come back. There are too many guys in this industry out to make a quick buck and destroy others but that attitude bites them hard and rolls back under the log they came from.

I can also see where you are comign from with the yellow wxample and agree with you on that but there is not much we can do about that except look it that, that $400 is better in my pocket than the other guys but remember the guy that has been stockpiling them has sold the whole lot in one hit and more than likely won't sell anymore for a while because he has flooded the market so he sells his breeders and they become scarce again and the price goes back to $5 a fish within 6 months which happens a lot in this industry too, actually with almost every fish.

By the way nothing personal taken actually enjoying the discussion.

[aquariumwarehouse]

nice reply

you are  correct  carma

what  goes arround  comes  arround :lol:


kev

[firemouthkid]

yes braddo,
good response
constructive too!
obviously in it for the long term, and learnt to roll with the punches.
well gotta go - must sell our frontosa colonies.......
before saturday's super special
2000 fronnys imported $2 each  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:
sorry..... couldn't resist   :wink:  :wink:
shutting up now....
regards darren