Manners and Etiqutte

[Savage_roo]

Ya well all in its mostly been good
But i do blame this form for my M.T.S lol one tank is never enough!! lol

I have met so many great people and have found out more info in the past year or so

Its the people you meet along the way that makes this hobby worth while

And I wouldn't half the fish and tanks i have to day

So to the people I have met and the people that make it all work Thanks

Andrew

[mjscookie]

Hi Doug.

Would this forum be ACE?

I've been in the sin-bin for a few months now.

I challenged deleting of posts (mine and others), and also posted a PM for all to view in public.

I must say, that forum runs awfully smoothly and is well run. But it's over political, too heavily moderated and it appears that a blind eye is used for some people.

Hopefully, they have finished reading George Orwell's animal farm as I suggested.

Maybe QLDCF should be in between ACE and Drummy.

Who knows.

Mitch

[plec]

i hate this too. a few times this has happened to me like one time without naming names i drove 2 hours to get some fish tanks and once i got there the fella turned his phone off and never replied to any messages or anything like that. another thing that is annoying is when you put in a post someone who is not interested writes in saying that they have seen what you are selling cheaper. thats great. but just because you have seen it cheaper once does not mean that they are all that cheap. simple if you are not interested in a fish or a tank stay out of it. we are all on here necause we have the same intrest so why cant we all just get along. thanks.

Hi Mitch

No it wasn't ACE, I've never had a problem there or anywhere else, I'm usually pretty easygoing over most things. However, it seems the King & Queen of the City don't like their rules being challenged  :roll:

Cheers, Doug

[gingerbeer]

:lol:  at dfishkeeper - that is the only place I had a problem and I told them to delete my membership.

ACE is tightly moderated but you know where you stand - I like that - but they do get some flak for it.

the other QLD site is not moderated unless you come form here :lol:  but you know where you stand.

Here I thought was inbetween and again you know where you stand.  

Don;t mind if I know where I stand - it is when the rules change for different people I get shirty.

Steve

[braddo]

I think a lot of people have had problems at that forum don't worry if the foundations aren't good the city will crumble.

[here fishie fishie]

[quote:380b1e527a]Frenchy - Sorry but it is not all about you.[/quote:380b1e527a]  Oops & dam  :lol:

[quote:380b1e527a]I was actually thinking at the time off other sites in other states that moderate tighter than this site and the mods there are believed to be too strict, This site is not as tight and has other problems.[/quote:380b1e527a] This was mainly caused by one bad egg, as why its the reason it is harder to join up here. :roll:  The problem I see with down south is, once they started to tighten up they became to political correct, hense cutting out different points of view.
eg; I had some new fish come in from down south. I had no problems with them at all. The 'person" was copping a bagging & was "time out" therefore couldn't reply. I tried my best to support the "person" & offer a positive. Only to have my posts deleted/edited...then told I was wrong, shit stirring & not helping the person involved. What the :?:  :?:  :?:

I like this place, people realise that there is more than one way to skin a cat. A healthy debate is good sometimes, seems to be a dying art.

Frenchy :D

Thanks Brad, I'm glad its not just me  :wink:

Jeez, wouldn't life on QCF be boring without the likes of Justin & Theo livening up the debates  :)

Anyway, it sounds like the city is missing out on the input of the sort of people they should be chasing as members rather than chasing away  :lol:  

Cheers, Doug

[mjscookie]

Frenchy - yes. But remember, that person wasn't banned. It took them a few days before they mentioned he was sin binned.


As mentioned, I am sin binned. It's been a few months now. As far as I knew,  in sport, after a period of time, you are allowed back onto the field. You don't have too apologise/kiss the referee. But it appears this is not the case.


I wish the sin-binning was here. But it appears
a) The mods are too busy
b) The mods don't care
c) The forum members don't care
d) Memebers can't read the rules and follow them
e) The owners/management is not prepared to give out more mods
e) the list goes on
..
z) a combination of all of the above.



It just frustrate me, that my activity column always shows people are here, even the chat gets full, but there is very little activity outside the buy/sell region of this site

Do people not have problems, try new things, make observations, have a girpe about the hobby? If not, fair enough, but why not post about it, get some discussion going. It just annoys me, actually really annoys me, I only see this kind of stuff going on in other forums and I can hardly send a PM saying, hey can I drop over and have a look at your new setup diy project.


Anyway, getting a bit off tangent now, but I think if the focus of the forum is changed from "Getting fish/gear cheaper than the LFS" and more into a Queensland Cichlid Forum we will probably, but won't eliminate all of these dodgy operators.

Mitch

[here fishie fishie]

[quote:52115c4fbe]Frenchy - yes. But remember, that person wasn't banned. It took them a few days before they mentioned he was sin binned. [/quote:52115c4fbe] Oh no, don't get me started on that one :lol:  They argued the fact he wasn't banned. But sin binned means he can't post, that was the point we tried to explain to them.  :?:  :roll:

[quote:52115c4fbe]but I think if the focus of the forum is changed from "Getting fish/gear cheaper than the LFS" and more into a Queensland Cichlid Forum [/quote:52115c4fbe] That would be nice, my posts would be better for a start.

I visit this site often, as they have the same mentality.
http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/

[quote:52115c4fbe]Jeez, wouldn't life on QCF be boring without the likes of Justin & Theo livening up the debates[/quote:52115c4fbe] Thanks Doug 8) Gives everyone else something to read & talk about. :lol:

Frenchy :D

[Muttley]

[quote:29c7577303="mjscookie"]It just frustrate me, that my activity column always shows people are here, even the chat gets full, [b:29c7577303]but there is very little activity outside the buy/sell region of this site[/b:29c7577303][/quote:29c7577303]

This should tell you something.  Buying and selling, trying to get a bargain, hunting down a sought after fish are all integral parts of the hobby for a lot of people.  Not everyone is in it to make the big bucks, or has the big bucks to pay some LFS prices.  I for one, love browsing the for sale sections, looking at whats on offer and sometimes finding something I really want.  

[quote:29c7577303="mjscookie"]but I think if the focus of the forum is changed from "Getting fish/gear cheaper than the LFS" and more into a Queensland Cichlid Forum we will probably, but won't eliminate all of these dodgy operators.[/quote:29c7577303]

I think if you changed the focus you would start to lose willing participants in this forum.  The buy and sell are a big drawcard.  People will always look at these sections whether they are buying/selling or not.  

You will never get rid of the "dodgy operators" though.  

Have you ever thought that some people may just feel to intimidated to post their queries, ideas or advice.  There is an awful lot of "thou shall do as I say" attitude that arises in a lot of posts asking for advice or help.  Ideas are just that ideas, and what works for one person may not work for another.  Putting forward suggestions is great, but they need to be tempered with a bit of "niceness".  Not everyone has been in this hobby for twenty years, some people know very little and look to this forum for sound knowledge without any attitude.

Just 1.5 of my 2 cents  :D

[here fishie fishie]

[quote:906cf69ee2]Not everyone is in it to make the big bucks[/quote:906cf69ee2]There are no big bucks.
Why do people say fish shops charge big $$$ :?:  Maybe look at fish shops from a different point of view. I save alot more money by dealing solely with shops. 8)

I think I can see where Mitch is coming from Muttley. The buy & sell is good, but some like to answer questions, debate, find out solutions to answers.
There are alot of people in these parts that have a settled fish room, or have a great relationship with a lfs, importer & the like. These people I see on foreign forums, so the buy & sell isn't a draw card to them. That is why I posted up a comment earlier, saying these guys talk to me about posts on this site. Therefore they are reading, yet they are not interested to post here. The more posters the better. That way too, they may even sell their goodies here.

I know why some of the experienced don't post here. This forum isn't for them, they read for gossip value, that is it. There is nothing here for them to learn about, they don't want to post as their views will get shot down, so whats the point for them. If we got the general discussion area going again, we can attract these kinds of people back. These are the ones that have been in the hobby for years. I would say Theo is the only person with 20 years experience who is a regular poster in the general discussion area.

As for new people, well I have seen so many times over the years on this forum, with newbies & simple questions. For some idiot to write google it, or suggest the person is thick, or calls them lazy for not researching themselves, or they give a stupid answer. What good is that? You lose the new guy for a start & make it harder for those with 1/2 an idea from posting. People seem to forget we were all new at one stage.

I see where you are coming from too Muttley in your last paragraph. Its hard for some people to make their typing come across as polite. I know I am one. :oops:  For me talking to people is so much easier. Especially when discussing fish problems.

Frenchy :D

[mjscookie]

I am not in it for the big bucks. I loose about 1/20th of my income on this hobby. I do not sell anything.

Why?
a) People don't turn up
b) People want money back when they die
c) People accuse you of introducing disease into their tanks

What's the point. I just let them spit, if they survive, they survive and I cull very heavily so I have great lines. All for myself.

I buy fish from people on here, at auction and from LFS. They all have positives and negatives.


Why should people be intimidated to ask questions? You know what the problem is - generally the male alter-ego-internet persona. We act tough on here, and everytime someone says something it's an attack at us !

Here is an example, that has been brought up - google. There was one time, someone asked how to build a sump. That was it "How do you make a sump". I said "Have you tried google?"...From that he attacked me giving some long winded argument about how he has a degree that makes him a professional at internet surfing.

Well, it seems like a pretty resonable response. Typing into google "DIY sump" produces 1000's of hits. He didn't say that he had tried google or give any explaination of what the problem is.


This is just one of many examples. People say something is dying, the 1st response is "What are the water params", the reply is "Do you think i'm that stupid!"


We cannot expect to know people personally, let alone their fish keeping abilities. If people are willing to provide a detailed post regarding whats wrong, whats happened lately, and what they think the problem is, they won't get replys with simple questions.


As the title of this post goes, "Manners and Ettiqute". I don't waste my day thinking and using my time and $$$ to reply to something and then get hounded as if I was having a go. I would much prefer to have sleep.

Mitch

[mjscookie]

BTW -

Theo - you need a special award. I think the last post you started here went for this long (water aging in barrells LOL).


Mitch

[Muttley]

[quote:6be3430b7a="here fishie fishie"]Why do people say fish shops charge big $$$ :?: [/quote:6be3430b7a]

Because I have seen first hand the differences in prices at a fair range of shops and compared prices to forum prices.  

[quote:6be3430b7a="here fishie fishie"]I think I can see where Mitch is coming from Muttley. The buy & sell is good, but some like to answer questions, debate, find out solutions to answers.[/quote:6be3430b7a]

I can see what he means as well.  

[quote:6be3430b7a="here fishie fishie"]I know why some of the experienced don't post here. This forum isn't for them, they read [b:6be3430b7a]for gossip value[/b:6be3430b7a], that is it. There is nothing here for them to learn about, they don't want to post as [color=red:6be3430b7a][b:6be3430b7a]their views will get shot down, so whats the point for them.[/b:6be3430b7a][/color:6be3430b7a][/quote:6be3430b7a]

This comment by you is exactly what I am talking about. Its the behaviour of a few that turns off a majority.  It only takes some smart comments from someone deriding  thoughts put forward and the contributor thinks exactly that, "what is the point".

[quote:6be3430b7a="here fishie fishie"]If we got the general discussion area going again, we can attract these kinds of people back.[/quote:6be3430b7a]

Then I would suggest we have a new section that is for off fish topics.  A "gossip area", so that we can have a good and sensible "general aquarium discussion" area.  This would allow people to talk totally off the topic of anything fishy and would encourage people to take the general area a bit more seriously.   I don't know whether the mods or admin here really keep up with whats going on, but I have seen ideas come up in the suggestion area and I have PM'd several mods asking for follow up on some of these ideas, and never recieved a reply.  So this idea may be totally ignored as well.  Hopefully not as it would be beneficial and would further the cause people like Mitch and yourself are pursuing.

[quote:6be3430b7a="here fishie fishie"]As for new people, well I have seen so many times over the years on this forum, with newbies & simple questions. For some idiot to write google it, or suggest the person is thick, or calls them lazy for not researching themselves, or they give a stupid answer. What good is that? You lose the new guy for a start & make it harder for those with 1/2 an idea from posting. [b:6be3430b7a]People seem to forget we were all new at one stage[/b:6be3430b7a].[/quote:6be3430b7a]

Thats exactly what I was getting at in my previous post :D

[quote:6be3430b7a="here fishie fishie"]I see where you are coming from too Muttley in your last paragraph. Its hard for some people to make their typing come across as polite.[/quote:6be3430b7a]

Its not just how they word their responses, it is the immaturity, the niggling at other members, the hijacking of threads for their own purposes.  I can tell you that when I first joined this forum, I was nearly put off by the antics of some members who always seemed to start verbal fights in the middle of other peoples threads.  Whether done in jest or not, this is the sort of stuff that turns people away.

Anyway, this is a good debate and has attracted a lot of good input so far.  Hopefully the mods or admin take some of it on board.

Thanks mate